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Postby johnrs » Thu 30 May, 2019 1:51 pm

Give a Dam Rally Katoomba Sun June 9
From the NPA bulletin

Give a Dam are not giving up just because of the Election results! A planned protest rally and march is now a go.
The date is Sunday 9th June commencing at 12:00 midday. The march will commence at Carrington Place, down Katoomba St, left into Warratah and left into Lurline and finish in Kingsford Smith Park. Once there, there will be speeches from the alliance partners.
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Postby johnrs » Thu 30 May, 2019 2:05 pm

And a Fundraiser too
Sat 15 June Katoomba

GIVE A DAM Fundraiser Dinner
The GIVE A DAM campaign will be hosting a fundraiser dinner on the 15th of June from 6pm. It will be held in the ballroom of the beautiful Mountain Heritage Hotel in Katoomba. It will include a 3-course alternate serve meal and 2 hours of complementary drinks.
The evening will be emceed by the Hon. Bob Debus (former NSW Environment Minister and Blue Mountains MP). It will include briefings from GIVE A DAM campaign manager Harry Burkitt and Gundungurra woman Taylor Clarke.

We will have a fundraising auction as part of the event with a selection of fantastic prizes.

Tickets are $100 per head or $900 to book a table of 10.

When
June 15, 2019 at 6pm - 9pm
Where
Mountain Heritage Hotel
Corner Apex and Lovel Streets
Katoomba, NSW 2780
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Bookings here
https://www.giveadam.org.au/give_a_dam_ ... BUNIQID%5D
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Postby johnrs » Wed 19 Jun, 2019 1:18 pm

And now UNESCO has warned that raising Warragamba dam may threaten the World Heritage status of the Blue Mountains national park
Details here
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-09/ ... e/11194166
And a bit more here
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/dam ... 51x21.html
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Postby johnrs » Fri 21 Jun, 2019 12:55 pm

And a little more attention coming with a NSW parliamentary enquiry announced today
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/gre ... 51zoi.html
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Postby johnrs » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 5:53 pm

GIVE A DAM campaign update

from the NPA Nature News

The Give A Dam campaign fighting the proposed raising of the Warragamba Dam continues from strength to strength.

An Upper House Committee was recently established to inquire into plans for any future development of property on the Hawkesbury Nepean Floodplain as a result of the project as well as the adequacy of the EIS.

The UN has prepared a draft report on the Greater Blue Mountains World Heritage Area listing which will be considered in July. The report highlights a number of concerns for the area and calls on the NSW and Federal Governments to send it any EIS before decisions on the dam are made.
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Postby johnrs » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 1:58 pm

And now UNESCO is involved
The World Heritage listing is at risk
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/cons ... 523wr.html
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Postby johnrs » Wed 07 Aug, 2019 1:33 pm

So there it is folks
The wilderness destroying dam raising does not work to any great degree
but lots of land to release
and developer donations to our federal liberal party.
More here in the SMH
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/cons ... 52djf.html
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Postby north-north-west » Wed 07 Aug, 2019 6:19 pm

Come now. You can't honestly expect to counter such an essential proposal with nothing more than science and facts. That's now how this works.
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Postby johnrs » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 9:12 am

And here is the National Parks Association submission to the upper house parliamentary enquiry
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3sKmV ... 17_COPY_01)&mc_cid=e12dcd396c&mc_eid=%5BUNIQID%5D
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Postby Mark F » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 10:38 am

With the current flooding in Sydney I sadly expect the dam heightening to become a government priority.
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Postby ribuck » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 11:26 am

People are talking about "spilling" as if it's a bad thing. If a dam doesn't spill during floods, the water drops all its sediment into the dam and the dam gradually silts up. If a dam spills, the water rises onto the downstream floodplains and drops the rich sediments over the land like it should.

I don't see why the government doesn't just allow developers to build on flood-prone land, with the proviso that they build two-storey houses, and the buyers must accept that the house is flood-prone. The owners might need to replace the downstairs carpets every 20 to 50 years, but the owners and their most valuable possessions can remain safe upstairs.

Upsides: No need to flood more of the National Park. No huge cost to the taxpayer. Lots of cheap housing for people who accept the downsides. Less silting of the existing dam.
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Postby michael_p » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 11:43 am

Saw this and thought it interesting. Not sure if it will change the views of those who think raising the wall will stop flooding downstream: https://twitter.com/p_hannam/status/1373515652439273474
Also worth noting that Warragamba is only providing 50% of the flood inflows. The rest is water coming primarily down the Nepean.

ribuck wrote:I don't see why the government doesn't just allow developers to build on flood-prone land, with the proviso that they build two-storey houses, and the buyers must accept that the house is flood-prone. The owners might need to replace the downstairs carpets every 20 to 50 years, but the owners and their most valuable possessions can remain safe upstairs.

This is the case in parts of South Camden. A number of double storey houses are built on the Nepean flood plane and you are not supposed to occupy the lower levels of the house. We knew a family that had one of these houses and they had a massive garage and a very big family/rumpus room on the lower level.
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Postby Moondog55 » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 12:43 pm

They used to build that way in Queensland, high off the ground on 3 metre stumps, even then they sometime had water flowing over the floor
Ve are too soon old und too late schmart
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Postby wildwanderer » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 12:46 pm

And seeing the state gov seems to be in love with apartment towers. In flood prone areas why not stipulate that the first 3 stories needs to be car parks and structural support. With the residential/community parts on level 4 and above.

We might even see a increase building quality as the foundations and other major works would need to be scrutinized to ensure they can withstand water inundation.

I'm sure the developers will cry the it's too expensive but considering Sydney's ever increasing house prices any intial cost would be easily absorbed by market price inflation.
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Postby Warin » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 5:00 pm

wildwanderer wrote:And seeing the state gov seems to be in love with apartment towers. In flood prone areas why not stipulate that the first 3 stories needs to be car parks and structural support. With the residential/community parts on level 4 and above


Might want to make the first few levels marinas? And a helicopter landing site on the roof.
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Postby michael_p » Mon 22 Mar, 2021 6:45 pm

One foot in front of the other.
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Postby wildwanderer » Mon 19 Jul, 2021 10:40 am

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Postby Lophophaps » Thu 30 Sep, 2021 6:50 am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-30/ ... /100500612

From the article.
A new report reveals the New South Wales government is trying to avoid paying more than $1 billion in compensation for environmental damage it will cause to the Blue Mountains World Heritage Area when it raises Warragamba Dam by 14 metres.

The move — revealed in an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) report lodged on Wednesday — has led conservationists to accuse the state's Environment Minister, Matt Kean, of playing a "double game".

That accusation comes in light of a newly uncovered recording from 2019 in which the minister said the bill for the environmental compensation would be so big, the project would not go ahead.
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Postby Hughmac » Fri 01 Oct, 2021 5:55 pm

Pretty obvious where this was going when the original ecologist on the EIS was sacked after submitting an unfavourable report, and replaced by a in-house ecologist already working for Water NSW. So much for independence. They are now arguing they only need to compensate for 7m of additional flooding, not he 14m the changes will create. Matt Kean is all talk, no walk, just another politician telling you the lies he thinks you want to hear.
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