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Re: snake bite

Postby Eremophila » Mon 17 Aug, 2020 8:31 pm

When walking solo, I like to carry a small permanent black marker and/or a small notepad and pencil.

Notepad doubles as a trip journal on multi day walks. Can also fill out one page with emergency contact & medical details.

Black marker - if no notepad - if you are alone & bitten, circle the bite area prior to bandaging. Write a note on your skin. Type of snake, time bitten.... at worst you could lapse into unconsciousness and anyone who finds you won’t have a clue what’s wrong.
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Re: snake bite

Postby north-north-west » Mon 17 Aug, 2020 9:09 pm

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north-north-west wrote:It takes time for the toxins to move through the system, and a brief low level of activity is not going to hasten the process dramatically. Splint and bandage as soon as you've called for help[ (phone/PLB).

I agree for sure with the bandaging and splinting. I would do that first, though, then call for help (at least putting on the compression bandage). Is anyone here experienced in remote first aid?

My first aid training is woefully out of date, but I'm working on two things:
a) Quickest job first; that means the PLB.
b) It may have changed but I've heard on a number of occasions that the best chance of survival for serious medical issues is to get proper medical assistance ASAP. So, again, PLB first.

That's just my take and my reasoning. Never had to put it into practice and hope I never will.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Tortoise » Mon 17 Aug, 2020 9:25 pm

I'm working on two things:
a) Quickest job first; that means the PLB.
b) It may have changed but I've heard on a number of occasions that the best chance of survival for serious medical issues is to get proper medical assistance ASAP. So, again, PLB first.

I was working from the point of view of applying the pressure ASAP to dramatically slow the spread of the (potentially injected) venom. I reckon more time would be bought than spent. But like I said, I wasn't sure. Thanks for your perspective, slparker. Especially since you agree with me.:D Seriously, I do appreciate your experience.

And as we all say, the chances are miniscule. But it's good to have thought about it ahead of time. Now that I think about it, I do know someone who was bitten when bushwalking in Tassie this year. The 3 doctors (give or take one) with him apparently decided on first aid and observation rather than evacuation. The bitee was fine, but I reckon I'd push the button anyway.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Neo » Mon 17 Aug, 2020 9:41 pm

A bandage with pressure indicating squares is a great help.
Otherwise and also stay still and hit the PLB.
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Re: snake bite

Postby skibug » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 1:06 pm

Eremophila wrote:

When walking solo, I like to carry a small permanent black marker and/or a small notepad and pencil.

Notepad doubles as a trip journal on multi day walks. Can also fill out one page with emergency contact & medical details.

Black marker - if no notepad - if you are alone & bitten, circle the bite area prior to bandaging. Write a note on your skin. Type of snake, time bitten.... at worst you could lapse into unconsciousness and anyone who finds you won’t have a clue what’s wrong.


My understanding is that, should you be evacuated to hospital, if the compression bandage seems to be doing its job (ie keeping symptoms under control, preventing venom spread (blood/lymphatic fluid tests), it stays in place - as removing it, even only briefly, may result in catastrophic release of venom from the limb/bite site. To access a venom sample, a small hole is cut in the bandage - so information written under the bandage may not be seen. Mark the snake bite site on the outside of the bandage.

"I'm working on two things:
a) Quickest job first; that means the PLB.
b) It may have changed but I've heard on a number of occasions that the best chance of survival for serious medical issues is to get proper medical assistance ASAP. So, again, PLB first."

If it's me, my procedure would be - 1. down on the ground, mininise all movement and reduce blood flow/heart rate/respiratory rate, find calmness, think. 2. Pressure bandage, splint, then 3. PLB/phone/send for help. By bandaging first, you are potentially buying hours or days of time before requiring medical intervention - the five or ten minutes taken will not make a huge difference in the long run if you've trapped the venom. On the other hand, the extra five minutes or so accessing and setting off the PLB could bring forward serious medical events by hours. Happy to be corrected.

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Re: snake bite

Postby north-north-west » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 3:38 pm

Given where I carry my PLB it would take a minute at most of very limited physical activity.
Note, I am not advocating for anyone to follow my procedure, just explaining it and the rationale behind it.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Neo » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 3:43 pm

Good ideas.
A snake bandage and PLB could be kept together with a good rubberband. Do both at once.
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Re: snake bite

Postby crollsurf » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 3:57 pm

I don't bother in autumn or winter but Spring and Summer always. Should carry 2 bandages but dont. A PLB always. Snakes in Spring seem to be full on agro and have chased after me on more than one occasion. Crikey

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Re: snake bite

Postby Lamont » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 4:31 pm

crollsurf wrote:I don't bother in autumn or winter but Spring and Summer always. Should carry 2 bandages but dont. A PLB always. Snakes in Spring seem to be full on agro and have chased after me on more than one occasion. Crikey

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I'm guessing Eastern Brown and/or Tiger?
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Re: snake bite

Postby crollsurf » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 4:41 pm

Tigers for sure. Extra angry when interrupting them while mating. Amazing to watch them standing up and intertwined but once spotted, I'm thinking there's an ambush going down and I'm the prey!

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Re: snake bite

Postby Eremophila » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 5:28 pm

skibug wrote:My understanding is that, should you be evacuated to hospital, if the compression bandage seems to be doing its job (ie keeping symptoms under control, preventing venom spread (blood/lymphatic fluid tests), it stays in place - as removing it, even only briefly, may result in catastrophic release of venom from the limb/bite site. To access a venom sample, a small hole is cut in the bandage - so information written under the bandage may not be seen. Mark the snake bite site on the outside of the bandage.


Just to clarify - it's more in case you lose consciousness before being able to apply the bandage. Obviously these items should be kept with the bandage.

By writing a note on your skin, I don't mean at the site of the bite - just somewhere else that's visible.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Warin » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 6:10 pm

If a bandage is not doing its job ... put another bandage over the top. Quick and easy.

If it restricting circulation that is another matter.

For a snake bike - two dots on the outside of the bandage at the site of the bite. This should be visible to the next responder. No need to mark the skin.

Record the time of the bite, probably on the bandage near the bite sight - KISS. This keeps the info at the bite site which is what they will be looking for.

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PLB or bandage first?
For me it is what is to hand first.
Check I have been bitten and now out of harms way - don't want a second bite.
Pack off and deep breath to relax. Think where are my PLB and bandages - if possible lie down now.
Get them out, if the PLB comes first then I'd activate it - less than 30 seconds, don't hurry or panic.
If the bandages come first, check I have access to the PLB and then lie down and put on the bandages. Activate PLB, put marks on bandage and go to sleep (if possible).
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Re: snake bite

Postby highercountry » Wed 19 Aug, 2020 8:14 pm

crollsurf wrote:Tigers for sure. Extra angry when interrupting them while mating. Amazing to watch them standing up and intertwined but once spotted, I'm thinking there's an ambush going down and I'm the prey!


The performance you've been lucky enough to see is actually 2 males wrestling for the right to mate with a nearby female.
So while you're standing there captivated by the display there's a female not far away ready to pounce for your throat. :D
Lots of other snake species do it too.
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Sun 23 Aug, 2020 9:18 am

highercountry wrote:
crollsurf wrote:Tigers for sure. Extra angry when interrupting them while mating. Amazing to watch them standing up and intertwined but once spotted, I'm thinking there's an ambush going down and I'm the prey!


The performance you've been lucky enough to see is actually 2 males wrestling for the right to mate with a nearby female.
So while you're standing there captivated by the display there's a female not far away ready to pounce for your throat. :D
Lots of other snake species do it too.


Spot on highcountry
Have only witnessed it once with 3 Large males Intertwined on one of my many trips to Mt Chappell Island In Bass Strait.
3 of us caught 1 each, and when probed they were all males :D
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Re: snake bite

Postby Overlandman » Tue 02 Feb, 2021 4:37 pm

From ABC

A 10-year-old Alice Springs girl is in a stable condition in ICU after she was bitten twice by a mulga snake in her bed last night.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/ ... l/13113314

Another one

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/ ... f/13110952

Advice from his mum and the quick actions of his mate saved a 16-year-old schoolboy bitten by a deadly brown snake at Cummins on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula during the school holidays.
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